tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post1410605245828640832..comments2022-11-24T15:09:02.086-08:00Comments on The Serbian Roundup: Suleiman the Magnificent: The New Hero of the Depraved SerbiaUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-66168177891106976182014-01-09T07:33:13.386-08:002014-01-09T07:33:13.386-08:00Hilarious.
Serbs living in western democracies su...Hilarious.<br /><br />Serbs living in western democracies sure have a funny view of Serbia (and, ultimately hate actual Serbs who live in Serbia more than anything else)<br /><br />It's a crappy soap opera from Turkey. Before that, they were watching crappy soap operas from Spain.<br /><br />There are also crappy shows produced in Serbia, so don't worry :)Doothttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13750264332218469530noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-53098953846481002492013-12-11T22:02:08.632-08:002013-12-11T22:02:08.632-08:00The part on Conquest of Belgrade is only a fractio...The part on Conquest of Belgrade is only a fraction of the soap opera.Its has progressed further to other events long ago. Its part of the history of Serbia and the show does not denigrate the Serbs. The fact is that as part of Yeni Cherri so many military men from tje region gained prominence and power in tje then Turkish Empire so much so that they even held the reins of the govt. In their hands.Judging events of the 16th century on scales of nationalism and morality of today may not be fair. Its a historical soap opera to be taken as just that. Its interesting ,riveting and quite well made. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-22789155230354268352013-12-02T16:59:21.129-08:002013-12-02T16:59:21.129-08:00Is this another case of some Serbian Xenophobia, i...Is this another case of some Serbian Xenophobia, it's a SOAP OPERA for christ sake, I am amazed how some Serbs are tolerant while some of you here spew hate against the Turks. The things in the past are done this is just for entertainment purposes.Zizouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09207412539286737077noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-78965504585783162542013-02-19T13:21:25.710-08:002013-02-19T13:21:25.710-08:00Do you think you may be reading too much into this...Do you think you may be reading too much into this?<br /><br />It is a soap opera that will loose it's appeal after a while just like other turkish/latin soap operas.<br /><br />History seems to be such an integral part of Serbs. You should focus on future and realize all Balkan people are very similar to outsiders. Serbs are constantly reminding themselves about the calamities they've suffered in history that it is undermining their ability to look at the future in a healthy constructive way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-68217535398835726832013-02-01T06:57:22.960-08:002013-02-01T06:57:22.960-08:00@Anonymous
In a country where kids glorify a forme...@Anonymous<br />In a country where kids glorify a former conqueror because they see him as a romantic hero, but stories of their own national heroes do not get any cultural exposure, this is a problem. <br />Suleiman with agenda, shown in Turkey, is ok. Suleiman in Serbia, where there's never been a movie about Saint Sava, is alarming. Srbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06954978311211803253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-4841319648709506372013-01-24T05:39:43.994-08:002013-01-24T05:39:43.994-08:00Hello All :)
I am a Türk from Turkey and I unders...Hello All :)<br /><br />I am a Türk from Turkey and I understand your worries but I don't think this tv show has any agenda as you think. It is not glorifying the past cause you cannot glorify it by showing killings and taking slaves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-25513835564238674222012-10-21T13:17:07.433-07:002012-10-21T13:17:07.433-07:00People i think you are taking all this to silly le...People i think you are taking all this to silly lenghts,It's just a show-by your calculations no one in the world would watch anything else or on any language other than their own..<br />We are talking about economics as well,then why bother working with country that we had issues in the past,or worse-live in them and yet we have Serbian brightest wrking and being recognized all over the world..<br />More over-we are writing right now in foreign language,speaking of double standards,what kind of recovery we expect in Balkans then???<br />or how about traveling on vacation to Turkey,coast and all...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-33574311226512008302012-06-21T14:32:33.381-07:002012-06-21T14:32:33.381-07:00I would like to see the Serbian production houses,...I would like to see the Serbian production houses, including TV stations like Prva TV that pay 300k euro for an interview with Dino Merlin, to produce series or films about the glories of Serbian history, not the history of oppressors. People will undoubtedly watch a love story, especially about a great man, but showing that particular great man in a positive light to Serbs demeans them. Imagine showing a movie about Hitler's conquests and romantic escapades in Israel. I would like to know if the Magnificent Century is being shown in Armenia. If it is, I'll shut my mouth.Srbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06954978311211803253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-45476398874235770612012-06-20T14:30:22.056-07:002012-06-20T14:30:22.056-07:00The more we watch it the more we become aware of t...The more we watch it the more we become aware of the fact that the Turks are more Serbs, Greeks, Ukrainians ... than the Turks themselves. They, the Serbs, do know and remember who their oppressors were, but they also know that numerous were taken as slaves to Turkey and many were ancestors of today's Turks. They do not celebrate Suleiman, but only want to see how that part of history is shown. And of course, it is part of the history of Europe. That's all. But the cast and the screenplay are very good.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-76775218005682077392012-03-09T07:19:45.495-08:002012-03-09T07:19:45.495-08:00Piece by piece, we have been chipped away at. Dead...Piece by piece, we have been chipped away at. Dead we are not, but the end of the 20th century has been our metastasis.<br />We can discuss whether Kosovo can be preserved, whether it should be preserved, whether the Serb Republic could be independent or not, how we can save Montenegro, whether it is more feasible to turn west or east, but with seemingly small things like this show being even allowed in Serbia, we see the depth of the treason the Serbian political and social elites have mired themselves in. It is as ghastly as it is ominous.Srbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06954978311211803253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-64904311734819168132012-03-09T07:13:53.403-08:002012-03-09T07:13:53.403-08:00Of course, no one is blaming soap operas. What we ...Of course, no one is blaming soap operas. What we watch and glorify shows what we've become. The reasons we've come to act this way are deeper, more complex and need to be examined and eradicated, with or without the help of Belgrade elites.<br />Yes, I'd have a law banning such TV series that portray a former oppressor in a positive light. But the reasons for people importing such creations should be looked at in a more serious way. I believe it is a national security question, considering Turkey's active engagement in the Serbian affairs on the side of Serbian enemies and its foreign policy designs in Southeast Europe.Srbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06954978311211803253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-70388810780371259302012-03-09T07:06:02.358-08:002012-03-09T07:06:02.358-08:00See, I don't think it's conscious like tha...See, I don't think it's conscious like that. I think it's the lack of consciousness. People are uneducated about their own, they do not care about anything but the superficial and the immediately useful. Is it sickness? Perhaps, but not of the Stockholm syndrome variety.<br />People who are bedazzled by Suleiman the character do not see a Turkish Sultan. They see a medieval superstar, and their thirst for fantasy combined with a lack of real education and a general unwillingness to think critically produced the state in which no one asks "hold on a sec, why are we so euphoric about a tyrant, an enemy of our ancestors?"<br />The Serbs do not try to empathize with Suleiman as their "captor." They do not see him as their former oppressor because they do not know anything about him and they do not care to find out. They are just oblivious. They are just watching the fantasy. <br />The problem is, they will start forming the image of Suleiman through this show. That's what the soft power consists of in this respect. The rock bottom of humiliation is not to take in such a character, but to endear an image of a Turkish Sultan to a Serb.Srbohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06954978311211803253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-25848320658244876032012-03-09T06:18:40.632-08:002012-03-09T06:18:40.632-08:00It seems many of us are submitting to Stockholm sy...It seems many of us are submitting to Stockholm syndrome...Djordjenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-30779337553360154742012-03-09T02:12:24.934-08:002012-03-09T02:12:24.934-08:00It just keeps getting worse doesn't it. I was ...It just keeps getting worse doesn't it. I was appalled in 2010 to see people watching Turkish drama soap operas, and now this. Is it possible to be astonished, but not surprised?<br /><br />There are two ways we can look at this. We can either:<br />A/ say that this sort of thing is the result of soft power, or<br />B/ that soft power is the result of some flaw in Serbdom<br /><br />Because the very nature of soft power is that it is 'soft'. There is no force involved. This means Serbs have to accept it, and embrace it, whether consciously aware or not, in order for soft power to work. The point is that soft power only works when it is not rejected. And the Serbs did not reject this form of soft power. Can you imagine a TV show celebrating a Christian crusader airing in Saudi Arabia or Iran, or even Turkey? I cant. Those people would reject it almost instinctively. <br />So what is it about Serbs today, that makes them act like this? I wouldn't say it is because of 20+ years of soft power. I'd say soft power only worked in the first place because of an underlying reason which allowed soft power to take root at all.<br /><br />It is historically true that Serbs always rebelled against 'hard power', whether it be armies of men of horseback, or foreign tanks or fighter jets, but I somehow can't see such a thing happening today. I can't imagine young Serbian men dropping their shitty airmaxies and nike prada, and going out to actively defend Serbia. Unless of coarse it football was involved. A parody of national pride.<br /><br />I don't want to sound like a pessimist, and I always hope for the best for Serbs and will do my part to help Serbdom (even if it is infinitesimally small), but something in the Serbian soul is beginning to stink, as if something had died. Like a shell with a dead crab inside, and now other creatures are coming to claim the shell because its practically there for the taking.<br /><br />It is a very sad situation, but I think we're deluding ourselves if we are going to be blaming soap operas for the decline of Serbdom. Something much more fundamental is going on. <br />It is true that some Serbs such as ourselves notice this, and we rebel against it like we rightfully should, but we are in the minority, and that is what I find most disturbing of all.<br />Serbs such as ourselves are swimming against the tide.<br /><br />Its the chicken vs the egg issue. Which came first? Its like that moron in Belgrade called Tadic. We can blame him all we want (and I think we should), but at the same time we need to remember it was Serbs who supported his bullshit, it was Serbs who voted him into office (twice), and he is a Serb himself. Tadic is a symptom of a much deeper problem, just like this awful new TV show is a symptom. Neither are the cause.<br /><br />Vultures, maggots and cockroaches only appear after in the later phases of a tragedy, if you see what I'm getting at.<br /><br />Great article though.Nikolajnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-7220576471648313696.post-65952297226355143832012-03-08T19:24:35.491-08:002012-03-08T19:24:35.491-08:00Simply ghastly. Yet at the tail end of 20+ years o...Simply ghastly. Yet at the tail end of 20+ years of demonization and brainwashing, it's a miracle there are still people who sneer at this cultural imperialism. So I wouldn't declare the Serbs quite dead - yet.CubuCokohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14128683147101484237noreply@blogger.com